Monday, January 21, 2008

THE BRAIN: Re: Proud moments...free will

Duration: 11:42 minutes
Upload Time: 2007-10-30 14:16:58
User: inmendham
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response to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7TPR2U4gsg

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cstubing ::: Favorites  2007-12-30 14:23:38

Don't forget that every great scientific discovery was preceded by an epoch of relative idiocy: the generally accepted "truth" prior to each discovery seems ridiculous in comparison. Particle theory is just that -- theory!! It's a man-made way of describing matter born from our current perspective (our scientific tools & methods).
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mitchrix ::: Favorites  2007-12-16 16:31:34

so if you change your feelings the universe changes based on your "logic". You talked of probability in your previous videos and now you disclaim it?
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zamore333 ::: Favorites  2007-11-21 22:35:18

Determinism is so 18th century Victorianism. You feel like you are making choices but it's an illusion, that's your logic? Absurd. If it feels like smells like and sounds like bullshit maybe it is. Lay off the Helium Dee Snyder.
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denito9474 ::: Favorites  2007-11-14 17:43:17

"if nothing is random and everything has a cause and effect. Then any choice you feel like you're making has already been determined before you make it" So how does randomness give you freedom? You have no more control in the role of the dice than you do in anything determined. Actually you have more control on non-random things, random things can never be controlled.
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AgentGhost ::: Favorites  2007-11-14 13:51:59

If nothing is random and everything has a cause and effect. Then any choice you feel like you're making has already been determined before you make it. I mostly agree with Inmendham, except I'm not entirely convinced there is no randomness in the Universe. There are examples in DNA but a simple example of randomness is tossing dice. No amount of information can aid in predicting where it will fall with 100% accuracy. This is obvioulsy an example of randomness with consequences.
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denito9474 ::: Favorites  2007-10-31 18:32:04

What on earth does randomness have to do with freedom?
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MBRHIndustries ::: Favorites  2007-10-31 14:30:42

good argument.
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ThatsBSman ::: Favorites  2007-10-30 21:48:49

"-- the universe was predetermined decades ago." "No arrhythmia in the heartbeat of the universe." "Ben Franklin's anus right here on my palm." You sir are a quote machine, makes me proud the universe predetermined all this from one man, loving you & the backdrop too man.
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gratex ::: Favorites  2007-10-30 20:29:13

nobody talks about the bitch who threw the grenade in the first place.
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gratex ::: Favorites  2007-10-30 20:25:00

It's not about DNA, it's about particles, atoms, molecules and proteins.
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TheModernMystic ::: Favorites  2007-10-30 16:52:07

Hi Gary, I have found that folk would prefer to go on with thinking they have free-will than swallow the deterministic argument. I have just posted a video reply that tries to show the danger of confronting the world with a `free-will gun`, that is not loaded.
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ReductioAdAbsurdum ::: Favorites  2007-10-30 15:56:54

"it is an error to deny that we have free will because the particles that comprise us have no free will and act deterministically" You're mixing two arguments. It's fallacious to say we lack free will because the particles making up a brain lack free will. It's NOT fallacious to say we lack free will because the rules upon which consciousness/cognition rely are deterministic; knowing physics and the state of every atom in your head, we could predict your thoughts before you think them.
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snouter ::: Favorites  2007-10-30 15:05:27

Are you saying it is possible that you evolved from a dinosaur and Ben Franklin or that remnants of their DNA somehow got into the food supply? Also, if there is no randomness, doesn't that confirm the ridiculousness of lighting hitting mud as the beginning of life and that there is an organizing force that can be defined in English as a "creator?"
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supermegalinda ::: Favorites  2007-10-30 14:55:20

Nice new background!
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TextBot ::: Favorites  2007-10-30 14:48:59

all of the concepts we associate with free will exist at a much higher level than at the actual physical fabric of the universe. it is an error to deny that we have free will because the particles that comprise us have no free will and act deterministically. consider the logical fallacy of composition.
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